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Ancestral Roots (line 190-9) states that Itta is supposed daughter of Arnoldus Bishop of Metz. Obviously there is no convincing evidence, one way or the other, just hints & estimations. I had previously determined that Dode was possibly/probably daughter of Arnoldus, which (if Itta were her sister) would make Saint Begga and her husband Ansgise/Ansgisel 1st cousins. While marriages between 1stcousins were not uncommon during this era, these people were supposedly close to the church and may not have countenanced such a marriage.
Thus I have decided to adopt the following ancestry for Itta, given below in a post to SGM, 18 Feb 2003, by David Hughes (nothing is sure):
From: david hughes (RdavidH218 AT Aol.com)
Subject: Re: Attila the Hun
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-02-18 10:11:27 PST
am curious about the sudden interest in Attila The Hun & the genealogy of his house. . . for what it is worth here are my notes on the subject for consideration:
x. Donaton, King of Huns [1], enters Europe, circa AD 360, issue, three sons:
a. Basiq, King of Huns [2], d c 370
b. Balamber, King of Huns [3], attacks Byzantine empire, d 390
c. Uldin (Uldes), King of Huns [4] 390-411
the two sons of Uldin [4] (above) were
a. Karaton (Charaton), King of Huns [5] 411-?, the father of Octar,
King of Huns [6]
b. Kuridak
the two sons of Prince Kuridak (above) were
a. Rugila, King of Huns [7] ?-433
b. Mundzuk
the two sons of Prince Mundzuk (above) were
a. Bleda, King of Huns [8] 433-437
b. ATTILA
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x. ATTILA "THE HUN" & "The Scourge", King of Huns [9] 437-453 had several wives: =1 Arykan; =2 Helche (Kreka); =3 Kriemhilt; =4 Ildiko (Hildiko); =5 Gundrun [note: a German myth says that his Burgundian wife, Gundrun, murdered her twin sons, Erpe & Eiti, begotten by him, and served their hearts for Attila to eat]
issue:
a. Scharpfe, murdered 453
b. Ortelipe, murdered 453
[note: the sons of ATTILA quarreled after his death over the chieftainship, during which, Ardaric, the Gepidae king, rallied the Germans against their Hunnish masters and utterly defeated the Huns atthe Battle of Nedao, 456, after which the remnant of the Huns gathered around the sons & grandsons of Attila "the Hun", creating several groups, of which some remained in Germany and Central Europe while others retreated to Scythia-Minor and became the Magyars, Bulgars, & Mongols]
c. Ellak, King of Huns [10] 453-456 [possibly the father of Aella of Sussex & Alesa of Wessex]
d. Tuldila, King of Huns [11] 456-7
e. Dengizec, King of Huns [12] 457-469, the father of Oulibus (d469)
f. Sengilac, the father of Sunigila (daughter), wife of Odovacar, a Teutonic chieftain, conquered the Roman Empire & became King of Italy 476-493
g. Emnetzur
h. Ultzindur
i. Elpfrat
j. Tingiz
k. Bel-Kermek (475), father of Djurash "Masgut" (498/499), father of Tatra (Baltavar) (550s), father of Boyan-Chelbir (d590), father of Tubdjak, King of Magna-Bulgaria (620), father of (a) Bu-Yurgan (Organas) & (b) Alburi (d632), father of Kubrat, 1st King of Bulgaria 632-651 [note: Kubrat is called the "son" of Organus in one source, and called his "nephew" in another source, as the son of his brother, Alburi]
l. Ernak [called Attila's "youngest son"], King of Huns [13] 469-476
m. Escam (Ascama) (daughter), wife of Ardaric, a Gepidae chief/king
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note: the descent-line from Attila The Hun to Charlemagne posted recently on the net is incorrect, however, the descent can be made through the wife of Pepin of Landen rather than through his mother,which then would be:
00. Attila The Hun (d453)
01. Escam (Ascama) = Ardaric, Gepidae-King of Germany (d476)
02. Elemund (d493/515)
03. Austrisa = Waccho, Lombard-King of Italy (d540)
04. Walderade =1 Theudebald, King of France 548-555 [note: she =2
Clothaire I of France; & =3 Garibald I of Bavaria]
05. Grimoalde, Duke of Aquitaine (d599) = Itite (d612), daughter of
Severus, a duke
06. Itte (Idoberge) (d652) = Pepin [I] of Landen (d639)
07. Begga (d694) = Ansgise (d685)
08. Pepin [II] of Heristal (d714) =2 Aupais
09. Charles "Martel", Duke of France 737-741 =1 Rotrude
10. Pepin "Le Korte", King of France 751-768 = Bertha "The White-Lady"
11. Charlemagne 1 _UID FA07C078-2FA3-42D5-A489-0AE5F0836ACA. Itta (ItteIdoberge) of Landen had person sources.
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