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Chlodeswinthe of The Salic Franks was born about 418 in Westphalia, Germany. She died about 449, at age ~31.

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Clodius "Long Hair" King of Franks was born about 395 in Westphalia, Germany. He and Basina of Thuringia were married in France. He died in 447, at age ~52. He was buried in Tramoyes, Germany.

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Basina of Thuringia was born in 398 in Thuringia, Germany. She and Clodius "Long Hair" King of Franks were married in France. She died in 470, at age ~72, in Old Sachsen, Germany.

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Pharamond King of West Franks was born about 370 in Westphalia now Germany. He and Argotta were married in 394. He died about 430, at age ~60.

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Curt Hofemann wrote in a post-em, citing information from Paul McBridge:

Pharamond, Duke of the East Franks, 404 A.D., elected King of the West Franks, 419, died in 430, 16th in descent from Boadicea. He married Argotta, "the mother of all the kings of France." They were the great great grandparents of Clovis. He was descended 13 generations from Athildis, who married in 129 A.D. Marcomir IV., King of Franconia, who died in 149. Athildis was the daughter of "Old King Cole," known also as Colius I., who died in 170 A.D. He was educated in Rome, King of Britain in 125. Colius I. was the son of Marius [Ref: McBride2 citing Wurts p2530] Note: these ascendancies appearmythical, not historical...Curt

Also note: I have Duke of East Franks [Ref: Wurts p433] so "p2530" seems wrong. 1 _UID 13958FE4-51D9-43F3-8659-F537263F4E28. 2 _UID D6CCA9AB-A888-4B53-BC29-8EAB154171B5.

Argotta was born about 376 in France. She and Pharamond King of West Franks were married in 394. She died.

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Plectrude of Bavaria was born about 655 in Bavaria, Germany. She died.

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2 _UID B5959780-C124-4B97-87A5-816944CDD329. Plectrude of Bavaria had person sources.^1,2

Dode Clothilde de Heristal was born about 583 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France. She and Arnulf Mayor of Palace Austrasia were married about 596.¹ She died in 650, at age ~67, in Treves, Rhenish Prussia, Germany. She was buried in 1612 - became a nun in Treves.¹

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Clotilde of Austrasia was born about 650 in Heristal, Liege, Belgium. She died on 3 June 692, at age ~42.

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Godegisel Ruler of Lesser Burgundy was born about 450 in Bourgogne, France. He died in 500, at age ~50.¹

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2 _UID 84D13D43-F427-46DD-9281-C43E05E1FD48. Godegisel Ruler of Lesser Burgundy had person sources.¹

Gundioc King of Burgundy was born about 430 in Bourgogne, France. He died about 470, at age ~40.¹

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2 _UID 8B1043B3-4293-4EDC-AEDC-0FAFD787CB7F. Gundioc King of Burgundy had person sources.¹ 1 _UPD 02 JUN 2010 10:50:30 GMT-6.

Gunther 1st King of The Burgundy was born about 400 in Bourgogne, France. He died about 436, at age ~36, in Killed in battle with Huns, Rhine Valley, Germany.¹

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2 _UID C0614D1B-4B4E-4A4B-B7F3-2E24A2F223F2. Gunther 1st King of The Burgundy had person sources.¹

Berthar King of The Thuringe was born about 470 in Thuringia, Germany. He died about 530, at age ~60, in Thuringia, Germany.

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Basin King of The Thuringe was born about 440 in Thuringia, Germany. He died.

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Daughter of The Thuringe was born about 520 in Thuringia, Germany. She died.

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Eadbald King of Kent was born about 575 in Kent, England. He died in 640, at age ~65.¹

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2 _UID 8AFE5D79-79B0-43C5-B66D-B871A6BAA00B. Eadbald King of Kent had person sources.¹

St Aethelberht I King of Kent was born about 535 in Kent, England. He died 24 FEB 615/616 in Kent, England.^1,2 He was buried in Issued first Anglo Saxon laws, Converted by St Augustine.

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2 _UID E6407AA9-E498-4C14-A1B7-F09F59504393. St Aethelberht I King of Kent had person sources.^1,2

Clodio was born in 398 in France. He died in 448, at age ~50.

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Ildegonde of Koeln was born in 399 in France. She died about 450, at age ~51.

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Amalaric King of Visigoths was born about 495 in Ravenna, Italy. He and Clotilda (Chrodechildis) of Franks were married in 511.¹ He died in 531, at age ~36, in Spain, In battle against Franks.²

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526-531

Amalaric (Arian) & Clotilda (Catholic) fought, bringing on Frankish Invasion. [Encyclopaedia Britannica] 1 _UID C550196B-5D4C-46E7-95EB-4B9BA387DC9B. Amalaric King of Visigoths had person sources.² 2 _UID 115EBC64-792E-4987-AAF7-4C8DAAD26588.

Clotilda (Chrodechildis) of Franks was born in 497 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France. She and Amalaric King of Visigoths were married in 511.¹ She died in 531, at age ~34, in Spain.¹

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2 _UID 89148DBC-58E1-49BA-90DD-E22BF43AE853. Clotilda (Chrodechildis) of Franks had person sources.^2,1 2 _UID 115EBC64-792E-4987-AAF7-4C8DAAD26588.

Theodogotho of ("Theodegotha of the Visigoths") Rome was born about 475 in Rome, Italy.¹ She and Alaric II (Avevagni) Cheiftain of Visigoths were married in 493.¹ She died in 503, at age ~28.¹

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Alaric II (Avevagni) Cheiftain of Visigoths was born about 458 in Italy.¹ He and Theodogotho of ("Theodegotha of the Visigoths") Rome were married in 493.¹ He died in 507, at age ~49, in In battle against Clovis King of Franks.²

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Walchigise Comte de Verdun was born about 610 in Austrasia, France. He died in Verdun, France.

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Ernak King of Huns was born about 445 in Hungary. He died in 476, at age ~31.¹¹

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469-476. Ernak King of Huns had person sources.¹

Attila "Scourge of God" the Hun was born about 400 in Romania. He and Gundrun a Burgundian were married in 5th wife.¹ He and Ildiko (Hildiko) were married in 4th wife.¹ He and Arykan were married in 1st wife.¹ He and Helche (Kreka) were married in 2nd wife.¹ He and Kriemhilt were married in 3rd wife.¹ He died in 453, at age ~53, in Hungary.^1,21

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Below are several versions (all of which are probably "legendary" & unproven) of a descent from Attila the Hun, I personally prefer the 1st one by David Hughes.

David Hughes, in a post to SGM, 18 Feb 2003, gives three different descents from Attilla the Hun (the Tsars of Bulgaria, The Kings of Hungary, and Charlemagne); all three are "rumoured" to have descents, according to several postings on SGM, but David gives the most reasonable-seeming full descents (unfortunately David does not indicate his sources, caveat emptor):

From: david hughes (RdavidH218 AT Aol.com)
Subject: Re: Attila the Hun
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-02-18 10:11:27 PST

am curious about the sudden interest in Attila The Hun & the genealogy of his house. . . for what it is worth here are my notes on the subject for consideration:

x. Donaton, King of Huns [1], enters Europe, circa AD 360, issue, three sons:
a. Basiq, King of Huns [2], d c 370
b. Balamber, King of Huns [3], attacks Byzantine empire, d 390
c. Uldin (Uldes), King of Huns [4] 390-411

the two sons of Uldin [4] (above) were
a. Karaton (Charaton), King of Huns [5] 411-?, the father of Octar,
King of Huns [6]
b. Kuridak

the two sons of Prince Kuridak (above) were
a. Rugila, King of Huns [7] ?-433
b. Mundzuk

the two sons of Prince Mundzuk (above) were
a. Bleda, King of Huns [8] 433-437
b. ATTILA

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x. ATTILA "THE HUN" & "The Scourge", King of Huns [9] 437-453 had several wives: =1 Arykan; =2 Helche (Kreka); =3 Kriemhilt; =4 Ildiko (Hildiko); =5 Gundrun [note: a German myth says that his Burgundian wife, Gundrun, murdered her twin sons, Erpe & Eiti, begotten by him, and served their hearts for Attila to eat]

issue:
a. Scharpfe, murdered 453
b. Ortelipe, murdered 453
[note: the sons of ATTILA quarreled after his death over the chieftainship, during which, Ardaric, the Gepidae king, rallied the Germans against their Hunnish masters and utterly defeated the Huns atthe Battle of Nedao, 456, after which the remnant of the Huns gathered around the sons & grandsons of Attila "the Hun", creating several groups, of which some remained in Germany and Central Europe while others retreated to Scythia-Minor and became the Magyars, Bulgars, & Mongols]
c. Ellak, King of Huns [10] 453-456 [possibly the father of Aella of Sussex & Alesa of Wessex]
d. Tuldila, King of Huns [11] 456-7
e. Dengizec, King of Huns [12] 457-469, the father of Oulibus (d469)
f. Sengilac, the father of Sunigila (daughter), wife of Odovacar, a Teutonic chieftain, conquered the Roman Empire & became King of Italy 476-493
g. Emnetzur
h. Ultzindur
i. Elpfrat
j. Tingiz
k. Bel-Kermek (475), father of Djurash "Masgut" (498/499), father of Tatra (Baltavar) (550s), father of Boyan-Chelbir (d590), father of Tubdjak, King of Magna-Bulgaria (620), father of (a) Bu-Yurgan (Organas) & (b) Alburi (d632), father of Kubrat, 1st King of Bulgaria 632-651 [note: Kubrat is called the "son" of Organus in one source, and called his "nephew" in another source, as the son of his brother, Alburi]
l. Ernak [called Attila's "youngest son"], King of Huns [13] 469-476
m. Escam (Ascama) (daughter), wife of Ardaric, a Gepidae chief/king

issue of Ernak [13] (above) were
a. Gordas, King of Huns [14] 493-527
b. Dullo (Dubla)
c. Zeliorbes, King of Huns [15] 530s, wars vs. Justinian The Great
d. Chaba (Chola) (530), father of Edus (Elus) (560), father of Kadiha (590), father of Chazew (620), father of Kulchug (650), father of Edur (680), father of Vegerus (Vegecus) (710), father of Elendus(740), father of Avarius (770), father of Venedobel (800), father of Ogyek (830), father of Almos (860), father of Arpad, 1st King of Hungary 896-907
e. Gheism (d535), the father of Mundio (d535)

issue of Prince Dullo (Dubla) (above) was
a. Avarius, King of Huns [16] (mid-500s), accepted Pannonia [Hungary] from Lombard King Albion [who invaded Italy] & re-conquered Germany 568

issue of Avarius [16] (above) were
a. Chaganus, last King of Huns [17], invaded Thrace 593; wasted the Balkans 611; the father of two sons, who were executed by Priscus in AD 601; led remnant of Huns to Scythia-Minor
b. Schzarus

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note: the descent-line from Attila The Hun to Charlemagne posted recently on the net is incorrect, however, the descent can be made through the wife of Pepin of Landen rather than through his mother,which then would be:

00. Attila The Hun (d453)
01. Escam (Ascama) = Ardaric, Gepidae-King of Germany (d476)
02. Elemund (d493/515)
03. Austrisa = Waccho, Lombard-King of Italy (d540)
04. Walderade =1 Theudebald, King of France 548-555 [note: she =2
Clothaire I of France; & =3 Garibald I of Bavaria]
05. Grimoalde, Duke of Aquitaine (d599) = Itite (d612), daughter of
Severus, a duke
06. Itte (Idoberge) (d652) = Pepin [I] of Landen (d639)
07. Begga (d694) = Ansgise (d685)
08. Pepin [II] of Heristal (d714) =2 Aupais
09. Charles "Martel", Duke of France 737-741 =1 Rotrude
10. Pepin "Le Korte", King of France 751-768 = Bertha "The White-Lady"
11. Charlemagne

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The following post, 23 May 1998, by William Reitwiesner, gives a pedigree back to Atilla the Hun & and way past him to the Chou dynasty in China! Undoubtedly it is not super accurate and debatable whether it is even likely (some on SGM did think it likely that the later Magyar rulers of Hungary may have had a tie to Attila, others not):

From: William Addams Reitwiesner (wrei AT erols.com)
Subject: Re: Magyar kings to Attila the Hun
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1998/05/23

doug AT dholmes.com (Doug Holmes) wrote:
>
>Can anyone describe this supposed connection via the Magyar kings to
>Attila? I've never seen such an attempt.

It's a howl. The only version I've seen was in *Die Ahnen von Irene Prinzessin zu Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg*, which was typed by a Dr. Schilling in 1947 in Glücksburg and is retained in the archives there. The line is on pp. 206-217, and it doesn't just stop at Attila. It goes like this (most recent people first and then going backwards, not translated from the German):

Elisabeth die Heilige (+1231) m 1221 Ludwig VI Landgraf von Thüringen
Andreas II, König von Ungarn, 1205-1235
Bela III, ungarischer König, reg 1173-1196
Geysa III, König von Ungarn, 1141-1161
Bela II der Blinde, König von Ungarn, reg 1131-1141
Almos +1129
Ladislaus I der Heilige, König von Ungarn, reg 1077-1095
Bela I, König von Ungarn, reg 1060-1063
Ladislaus der Kahle, ungarischer Prinz, * nach 975
Michael, madjarischer Fürst, * um 950
Toxus, madjarischer Fürst, reg 920-nach 955, * um 900
Zultan III, madjarischer Fürst, * um 870
Arpad, madjarischer Fürst, reg 890-907
Almos II, hunnischer Fürst
Elend
Veget
Veger
Edur II
Sultan II
Almos II
Kulchug
Chazew
Kadiha
Edus I
Chaba, hunnischer Fürst
Attila (gennant Godegisil), hunnischer grosschan, starb 453
Bendekuz gennant Mundiuch, Fürst der Hunnen
Turda, Fürst der Hunnen
Szemen
Ethei
Oposch
Kadcha
Berend
Zultan I
Bulchu
Bolug
Zemtur
Zamur
Leel
Zevent
Kulche
Ompud
Mirka
Mike
Beztur (Baktur), Grosschan der Hunnen, reg 209-174 v.Zw.
Budli
Chamad
Bukem
Bondefard
Tarkens
Othmar
Kadar
Biler
Kear
Kave
Kaled
Dama
Bor, Herrscher der Hunnen

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Bor's wife, and mother of Dama, is given as Ly-sze, daughter of the Chinese Emperor Yu-Wang (reigned 781-771 v.Zw. -- note that "v.Zw." means "B.C."). Yu-Wang was an Emperor of the Chou dynasty. Theline back from Ly-sze is given by Schilling as follows:

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Ly-sze, Kaiserliche prinzessin von China aus der dynastie Tschou
Yu-wang, Chinesischer Kaiser, reg 781-771 v.Zw.
Hsüan-wang, Chinesischer Kaiser, reg 827-782 v.Zw.
Li-wang, Chinesischer Kaiser, reg 878-827 v.Zw.
Tscheng, kaiserlicher prinz von China
Tschi-fah, kaiserlicher prinz von China
Mu-wang, Chinesischer Kaiser, reg 1001-957 v.Zw.
Tung, Chinesischer Prinzregent
Kang-wang, Chinesischer Kaiser, reg 1078-1052 v.Zw.
Tscheng-wang, Chinesischer Kaiser, reg 1115-1078 v.Zw.
(Fah-)Wu-wang, Chinesischer Kaiser, reg 1135-1115 v.Zw., Begründer der Dritten Dynastie: Tschou
(Tschang-)Wen-wang, König von Tschou und Tschin, reg 1168-1135 v.Zw.
(Tscheng-)I-wang, Grosskönig von Tschou, reg 1195-1168 v.Zw.
Li-wah, Königlicher Prinz der Tschou und Tschin, u 1200 v.Zw.
Kilik, Herzog von Tschou
Tschan-fu, Herzog von Tschou
Tan-fu, Herzog von Tschou, machte sich 1327 v.Zw.

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And there Schilling stops, though not without the helpful information that Tan-fu is in the 103rd generation back from Princess Irene, and that he is her ancestor number 11,180,164,869,262,022,086,263,635,968 (using the standard Kekule method of ancestor numbering).

In case anybody is gasping in shock or horror, I'm not endorsing any of this descent (at least not before Almos, d. 1129), I'm just reporting what I've found. I didn't notice if Schilling said wherehe found the descent.

William Addams Reitwiesner
wrei AT erols.com

"Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

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The following gives two brief, undoubtedly legendary, lines from Attila the Hun.

From: Henry Soszynski (zzhsoszy AT uq.net.au)
Subject: Re: Atilla the Hun
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-01-22 14:49:48 PST

AFAIK There are no verifiable descents from A the H, nowever that's not going to stop me posting the following.

Attila->Irnac->[?generation]->Mugel->Chinial +c555->Zabergan->[?generation]->Kubrat +642 IIRC (this is the line of the Kutrigur Khans) and Kubrat was the ancestor of some of the early rulers of Bulgaria, many question marks and dotted lines).

Attila->Chaba->Edus->Vegecus->Elendus->Almus->Ugyck->Almos->Arpad (founder of the Arpad dynasty of Hungary)

Cheers,

Henry
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