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Oddona was born about 1085 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England. She died before 1112.

Oddona had person sources.¹

Maud Peverel was born about 1085 in Castle Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England. She died after 1133 in Cemmaes, Machynlleth, Powys, Wales.

Maud Peverel had person sources.¹

Adam de Betham was born about 1085 in Beetham, Kendal, Westmorland, England. He died.

Merilyn Pedrick, citing a Betham family tree in New Zealand , states that Adam was son of Roger de Montgomery & Mabel T alvase, and married "Sibilla de Poictu, daughter of Roger d e Poictu, Earl of Lancaster". The source is dubious, and t here was no Roger de Poictu, Earl of Lancaster. I have Ada m as grandson of Roger & Mabel. Adam de Betham had person sources.¹

Godfred died in 1187.

King of Man

King of Man. Godfred had person sources.¹

Margaret de Huntingdon was born in 1144 in Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England. She and Conan IV of Brittany were married in 1160.^1,2 She and Humphrey IV de ("The Young") Bohun, The Young, were married in 1175. She died in 1201, at age ~57, in Richmond, North Riding, Yorkshire, England.² She was buried in Abbey Sawtry, Huntingdonshire, England.

Margaret de Huntingdon had person sources.³

Petronilla (Pernel) de Lacy was born about 1196 in Castle Trim, Meath, Ireland. She died after 9 March 1290.¹

Alt. Death. Petronilla (Pernel) de Lacy had person sources.^23,4

William de Say was born about 1106 in Sawbridgeworth, Bishop's Stortford, Hertfordshire, England. He and Beatrice de Mandeville were married before 1133.^1,2 He died after August 1144 in Castle Burwell, northwest of New Market, Cambridgeshire, England.^1,2

Killed attacking Burwell Castle, Cambridgeshire, England. William de Say had person sources.³

Beatrix de Say was born about 1160 in Kimbolton, St. Neots, Huntingdonshire, England. She and Geoffrey FitzPiers were married BEF 25 JAN 1184/1185.¹ She died before 19 April 1197.¹

Beatrix de Say had person sources.²

Alix (Adelaide) of Champagne was born in 1140 in Blois, Loir-Et-Champagne, France.¹ She and Louis VII ("The Younger") France, The Younger, were married on 13 November 1160 in Gonesse, Val d'Oise, Ile-de-France, France.^1,2 She died on 4 June 1206, at age ~66, in Paris, Seine, Ile-de-France, France.^1,2 She was buried in Abbaye des Pontigny, Pontigny, Burgundy, France.

Alix (Adelaide) of Champagne had person sources.³

Aubrey de Vere was born about 1110 in Castle Hedingham, Hedingham, Essex, England.^1,2 He died on 26 December 1194, at age ~84, in Oxford, Oxfordshire, England.¹ He was buried in Priory Earls Colne, Halstead, Essex, England.

Aubrey de Vere had person sources.³

Rohese de Vere was born about 1115 in Castle Hedingham, Hedingham, Essex, England. She died on 21 October 1166, at age ~51, in England.¹ She was buried in Priory Chicksands, Bedfordshire, England.

Rohese de Vere had person sources.²

William de Say II was born about 1133 in Saham, Norfolk, England. He died before 1 August 1177 in Kimbolton, St. Neots, Huntingdonshire, England.^1,2

WILLIAM DE SAY II, 1st son and heir, first appears as a par ty to the confirmation by his father of Hugh de Beauchamp' s grant to St. Neot's, perhaps towards the end of 1144. Bet ween 1150 and 1160 he entered into an agreement with the mo nks of Ramsey to grant them rents in Norfolk and elsewhere , his mother Beatrice assenting. He paid scutage in 1161-6 2 under Cambs and Hunts. In 1166 he returned his Carta unde r Hunts. He accounted in 1167-68 under Hunts for 34 s. in r espect of the aid to marry the King's daughter, and, abou t 1175 was witness to a charter in favour of Buckland Prior y. The name and parentage of his wife are unknown. He die d s.p.m. shortly before 1 August 1177. [Complete Peerage XI :465, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]. William de Say II had person sources.³

Aufrica of Huntingdon was born about 1140 in Kimbolton, St. Neots, Huntingdonshire, England. She died.

Aufrica of Huntingdon had person sources.¹

Geoffrey de Say was born before 1135 in Sawbridgeworth, Bishop's Stortford, Hertfordshire, England.¹ He died on 19 May 1214 in West Greenwich, Kent, England.¹

Geoffrey; born probably by 1135; involved in financial tran sactions and law suits against his cousins and nephew by ma rriage Geoffrey Fitz Piers to gain the lands of the Mandevi lle Earls of Essex;married 1st Alice, daughter of Hugh Mam inot and widow of Ralph de Cahaines; married 2nd Alice or A deliza (born after 1163; died in or after 1214), daughter o f 1st Earl of Oxford by his 3rd wife Agnes, and died betwee n 1212 and 1214, having by his 1st wife had [Geoffrey], wit h and eldest son (William, died by 1 Jan 1198/9?) and a you ngest (Ingram, in Ireland with brother Geoffrey). [Burke's Peerage]

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GEOFFREY DE SAY I, brother and heir male, being 2nd son o f William DE SAY I and Beatrice, was born probably not late r than 1135 (k), and possibly earlier. He appears as witnes s to a charter of EarlWilliam de Mandeville, brother of Ea rl Geoffrey, before 1166, and a charter of Henry II, execut ed at Winchester (1176-81), granting to Earl William de Man deville all the land (in Normandy] which Robert de Say ha d rightfully given him. In 1184/5 he accounted in respect o f disseisins in Kent; and acted as intermediary for Ralph B rito in connection with his account for the issues of the l andsof Henry de Essex and of the Honor of Boulogne. On th e King's last return to England in 1188, he was one of th e messengers sent forthwith to Canterbury, to demand the in stant restoration of services at Christ Church, Canterbury.

In 1191 he offered 7000 marks, after an offer of 3000 mark s by Geoffrey FitzPiers in the previous year, for the lan d of Earl William de Mandeville (died 1189). The heir was G eoffrey's mother, Beatrice, but being "feeble and full of d ays " she stood aside in the interest of her son. Geoffre y obtained a grant of the lands and in 1190 put an aid upo n them; but he was unable to pay the promisedsum, and th e lands, and eventually the Earldom, came to Geoffrey FitzP iers as husband of Beatrice, elder daughter of William, Geo ffrey de Say's elder brother. Geoffrey de Say, however, di d not abandon his claim, and in 1212 appointed his son Geof frey, to whom he transferred his rights, to act as his atto rney in the pending suit against Geoffrey FitzPiers for th e lands of Earl William. Geoffrey I and Geoffrey FitzPier s were dead by 1214, in which year the claim was heard, aft er Geoffrey II had offered 15,000 marks to have such seisi n of Earl William's lands as his father had on the day on w hich King Richard disseised him. Geoffrey de Mandeville def ended the proceedings in place of his father. The claim fai led, but continued to smoulder until 1283-84, when the matt er was settled by fine.

In 1193, at the King's command, he accompanied the Chancell or to Germany, where he appears as a witness to several cha rters given by the King, with whom he was also in April an d May 1194 at Winchester, Bishop's Waltham and Portsmouth . He was with the King in the army of Normandy in 1194, an d witnessed charters of the King at Rouen in 1196 or 1197 . He was at Lambeth in 1201 and at Lisieux inOctober 1202 . In July 1203 he obtained quittance of debts to the Jews o f London, with a further quittance so long as he was in th e King's service with arms and horses. In 1204 he had an al lowanceof one mark for certain expenses in connection wit h Dover Castle, and on 8 August a mandate issued that he sh ould have 100 marks of silver for the work of the Castle. O n 23 January 1205 the King ordered the Constable of Taunto n to send a master miner with 40 men to Dover to Geoffrey d e Say. In 1191 he paid part of the scutage charged agains t the heirs of Walkelin Maminot, and in 1194 he wasbrough t in as debtor for the scutage of the heirs "quorum heres e st." From 1194. onwards he was regularly amerced for scutag e on the Maminot lands.

He married, 1stly, Alice, widow of Ralph DE CAHAINES, and d aughter of Hugh MAMINOT (n). He married, 2ndly, Alice, daug hter of Aubrey (DE VERE) 1st EARL OF OXFORD, almost certain ly by his 3rd wife Agnes, daughter of Henry DE ESSEX. He wa s alive in 1212, but dead in 1214. Alice survived him and w as living in 1214 and died possibly as late as 1217. [Comp lete Peerage XI:465-8, XIV:570, (transcribed by Dave Utzing er)]

(k) His son Geoffrey m. after the end of 1175 and before 11 80. Geoffrey de Say I may be the Geoffrey de Say who attes ted a charter of his uncle Gilbert de Say in 1151.

(n) Confirmation of grant in 1168 by Walkelin Maminot to Be rmondsey Abbey of the advowson of the church of Birling an d of a similar grant by Geoffrey de Say, by "Galfridus de S ay filius Galfridi deSay et Alicie de Cheinnei uxoris sue" ; followed by confirmation by William de Say, son of Geoffr ey, son of Geoffrey. Grant by Geoffrey de Say son of Alic e de Chetnay of land in Edmonton, temp. Richard I. After a bout 1200 the Say barony consisted almost wholly of fees fo rmerly held by Alice's nephew, Walkelin Maminot.

NOTE: The website "Some Corrections and Additions to the Co mplete Peerage" has totally revised chronology and marriage s for Geoffrey I de Say, whereby he is not born until perha ps after 1144, and married (as his only wife) Alice de Ches ney (who CP states married his son Geoffrey II as his 2nd w ife), and has his son Geoffrey II de Say born around 1180 , who was married twice, 1stly to an unknown wife, and 2ndl y to Margery de Briwere. I am not sure that their evidenc e warrants such a radical revision of CP's information. Mu ch of what they state could be explained if the son Geoffre y II had a son named Geoffrey III (which would be fairly re asonable). The website does not say how Geoffrey I de Sa y attested a charter of his uncle, Gilbert de Say, in 1151 , when he wasn't born until 1144 (of if not Geoffrey I de S ay, then which Geoffrey de Say). Geoffrey de Say had person sources.²

Emma de Limoges was born in 1124 in Limoges, Haute-Vienne, Limousin, France. She died.

Emma de Limoges had person sources.¹

Loretta de Quincy was born about 1176 in Winchester Buckley, Hampshire, England. She died.

Loretta de Quincy had person sources.¹

Nicholas de Stuteville was born about 1142 in Cottingham, East Riding, Yorkshire, England.¹ He died before 30 March 1218 in Castle Liddell, Cumbria, England.¹

Nicholas de Stuteville had person sources.²

William de Boclande was born about 1155 in Buckland, Faringdon, Berkshire, England. He died in 1216, at age ~61, in Westoning, Ampthill, Bedfordshire, England.¹

William de Boclande had person sources.²

Devorguilla of Galloway was born in 1197 in Galloway, Dumfries and Galloway, Scotland. She died in Whissendine, Oakham, Rutlandshire, England.

Devorguilla of Galloway had person sources.¹

Maud de Say was born about 1155 in Kimbolton, St. Neots, Huntingdonshire, England. She died before 28 March 1222.¹

Maud de Say had person sources.²

Hugh Bigod was born about 1214 in Castle Framlingham, Suffolk, England. He died before 7 May 1266 in Thetford, Norfolk, England.^1,2

Alt. Death

Thetford, Norfolk, England. Hugh Bigod had person sources.³⁴

William de Mandeville was born in 1186 in Saffron, Waldon Parish, Essex, England. He died on 8 January 1227, at age ~41, in Priory Shouldham, Downham, Norfolk, England (Body.)¹ He was buried in Abbey Walden, Saffron Walden, Norfolk, England (heart.)

William de Mandeville, Earl of Essex, like his deceased kin sman, espoused the cause of the barons and stoutly maintain ed it, even after the decease of King John, being one of th ose who then assisted Lewis of France in the siege of Berkh amstead Castle, occupied by the king's forced. A sally havi ng been made, however, from the garrison, much of the bagga ge of the besiegers was captured and, amongst other things , the banner of the Earl William. His lordship seems to hav e made his peace soon after, for we find him engaged in th e Welsh wars. He d. in the flower of his age, 25 December , 1227, and, as he left no issue, the Earldom of Essex devo lved upon his sister, Mary, Countess of Hereford, while th e lands which he inherited passed to his half-brother, Joh n FitzPiers. [Sir BernardBurke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeite d and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, Engl and, 1883, p. 353, Mandeville, Earls of Essex]. William de Mandeville had person sources.²

Geoffrey de Mandeville was born about 1184 in Saffron, Waldon Parish, Essex, England. He and Isabel FitzRobert were married 20 JAN 1213/1214.¹ He died on 23 February 1216, at age ~32, in London, Middlesex, England. He was buried in Priory Trinity within Aldgate, London, Middlesex, England.

London, Middlesex, England of mortal wounds at tournament ( dsp)

1215 Magna Charta Surety.

Geoffrey de Mandeville (which surname he assumed), who, i n the 15th King John (1314-15), had livery of the lands o f his inheritance and the same year, bearing the title of E arl of Essex, the king gave him to wife, Isabel, Countess o f Gloucester, 3rd dau. and co-heir of William, Earl of Glou cester, and was, in her right, Earl of Gloucester, and wa s so styled in the convention with King John,1215 (which I sabel had first been m. to King John himself, but repudiate d on account of consanguinity). This nobleman afterwards di stinguished himself amongst the barons who rebelled again t he tyrannical power of John, and was one of the twenty-fiv e lords chosen to enforce the observance of Magna Carta, ab out which period, attending a tournament at London, he rece ived a wound from a lance,which proved mortal. His lordshi p d. in 1216, and leaving no children, was s. by his brothe r, William. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeite d and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, Engl and, 1883, p. 353, Mandeville, Earls of Essex]. Geoffrey de Mandeville had person sources.²

Eleanor de Bohun was born about 1242 in Debden, Saffron Walden, Essex, England. She and John de ("de Verdun") Boteler were married after 1256.¹ She died after 10 June 1278.²

Eleanor de Bohun had person sources.³ Alt. Marriage

2nd wife.²

Maud de Avenbury was born about 1220 in Avenbury, Bromyard, Hertfordshire, England. She and Humphrey de ("Earl of Hereford") Bohun V Earl of Hereford were married after 14 August 1241.¹ She died on 8 October 1273, at age ~53, in Sorges, Dordogne, Perigord/Aquitaine, France.¹ She was buried in Sorges, then reburied in 1290 at Llanthony-by-Gloucester Priory, England.

Maud de Avenbury had person sources.²